<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: The PR/blogger relationship</title> <atom:link href="http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/</link> <description>A Travel Journalist&#039;s Tips from the Road</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:19:11 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: How to Work with Travel Bloggers &#124; Nancy D Brown</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-6022</link> <dc:creator>How to Work with Travel Bloggers &#124; Nancy D Brown</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 20:08:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-6022</guid> <description>[...] The PR/blogger relationship [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The PR/blogger relationship [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate  Whiteley</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-2078</link> <dc:creator>Kate  Whiteley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:41:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-2078</guid> <description>Hey Chris - I&#039;m late to this, but just wanted to thank you for this post. You were such a great resource to me back on one of those Bulldog calls when you were at USAT and I appreciate you sharing more via this blog.  It&#039;s one I&#039;ll definitely send around to the rest of the folks in our office. I&#039;d also whole-heartedly agree with Susan, I know at our office you&#039;re still an A-list target! Not sure if that&#039;s good or bad for you! ;) I see a lot of bloggers say that they&#039;d like us to pitch them if they&#039;re going to be in certain places already . . . might be nice to have some sort of modified editorial calendar?  We search them for print pubs and it makes it so much easier to tailor and not spam people. It&#039;s tough to read every travel blog every day, it&#039;d be nice if there was a way to know up front if the blogger would be visiting or interested in visiting our destinations . . . Maybe a link to a list of preferred/interesting destinations?  Just a thought . . . Thanks again, Chris! Cheers! Kate</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris &#8211;<br /> I&#8217;m late to this, but just wanted to thank you for this post.<br /> You were such a great resource to me back on one of those Bulldog calls when you were at USAT and I appreciate you sharing more via this blog.  It&#8217;s one I&#8217;ll definitely send around to the rest of the folks in our office.<br /> I&#8217;d also whole-heartedly agree with Susan, I know at our office you&#8217;re still an A-list target! Not sure if that&#8217;s good or bad for you! <img src='http://caroundtheworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br /> I see a lot of bloggers say that they&#8217;d like us to pitch them if they&#8217;re going to be in certain places already . . . might be nice to have some sort of modified editorial calendar?  We search them for print pubs and it makes it so much easier to tailor and not spam people. It&#8217;s tough to read every travel blog every day, it&#8217;d be nice if there was a way to know up front if the blogger would be visiting or interested in visiting our destinations . . . Maybe a link to a list of preferred/interesting destinations?  Just a thought . . .<br /> Thanks again, Chris!<br /> Cheers!<br /> Kate</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nancy D. Brown</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-1907</link> <dc:creator>Nancy D. Brown</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-1907</guid> <description>Hi Chris, Having been a PR &quot;flack&quot; and now working the print and travel blogger side of the fence, I appreciated this post.Speaking from the PR side (I&#039;m APR accredited, but no one cares a hoot about that)it is over-whelming to put together a travel blogger list if you don&#039;t &#039;follow&#039; the travel blogs.As a travel blogger, the Twitter list feature is something that PR peeps need to utilize. In fact, the TBEX attendee list is posted on the website. Any PR person worth their salt would be going over this &#039;media list&#039; with a fine tooth comb.Follow me on Twitter @Nancydbrown Horse lovers @Ridinghorseback</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,<br /> Having been a PR &#8220;flack&#8221; and now working the print and travel blogger side of the fence, I appreciated this post.</p><p>Speaking from the PR side (I&#8217;m APR accredited, but no one cares a hoot about that)it is over-whelming to put together a travel blogger list if you don&#8217;t &#8216;follow&#8217; the travel blogs.</p><p>As a travel blogger, the Twitter list feature is something that PR peeps need to utilize. In fact, the TBEX attendee list is posted on the website. Any PR person worth their salt would be going over this &#8216;media list&#8217; with a fine tooth comb.</p><p>Follow me on Twitter @Nancydbrown<br /> Horse lovers @Ridinghorseback</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Susan</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-1064</link> <dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:50:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-1064</guid> <description>As a person that straddles both sides of the fence - a PR professional and a blogger, who is targeted by PR professionals on occasion, it was great to read your perspective.In response to Gary&#039;s comment, I actually do think there are many PR professionals that get their hands dirty when it comes to breaking into the realm of blogger relations. However, to his point about budget/the amount of blogs out there, it can get overwhelming and for a PR person (at least one that works at an agency) time is money. Finding and then getting very familiar with a targeted niche of bloggers could eat up what is allotted to me in an entire month, for example - and that&#039;s before my traditional PR activity.Also, I totally agree there is an opportunity for an agency that closely manages blogger relations for brands. Brand About Town actually does that quite well- not sure how many others there are out there though.Also, Chris- as for PR people caring more about a USAT article than your blog, I think that a good PR professional understands that in many cases, the INFLUENCER is the best target for a brand more so than the outlet. And you are an influencer no matter where you write, whether it&#039;s on your blog or even on twitter.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person that straddles both sides of the fence &#8211; a PR professional and a blogger, who is targeted by PR professionals on occasion, it was great to read your perspective.</p><p>In response to Gary&#8217;s comment, I actually do think there are many PR professionals that get their hands dirty when it comes to breaking into the realm of blogger relations. However, to his point about budget/the amount of blogs out there, it can get overwhelming and for a PR person (at least one that works at an agency) time is money. Finding and then getting very familiar with a targeted niche of bloggers could eat up what is allotted to me in an entire month, for example &#8211; and that&#8217;s before my traditional PR activity.</p><p>Also, I totally agree there is an opportunity for an agency that closely manages blogger relations for brands. Brand About Town actually does that quite well- not sure how many others there are out there though.</p><p>Also, Chris- as for PR people caring more about a USAT article than your blog, I think that a good PR professional understands that in many cases, the INFLUENCER is the best target for a brand more so than the outlet. And you are an influencer no matter where you write, whether it&#8217;s on your blog or even on twitter.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Julie Ovenell-Carter</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-994</link> <dc:creator>Julie Ovenell-Carter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:25:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-994</guid> <description>Chris, could you please edit my comment above to read:&quot;...that a blogger is somehow less responsible or professional than a...&quot;I was typing too fast and didn&#039;t proofread--how unprofessional of me! ;-)And I think Gary&#039;s idea of a mini-agency to match advertisers--especially small advertisers--to niche blogs is an excellent idea! Go with it Chris!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, could you please edit my comment above to read:</p><p>&#8220;&#8230;that a blogger is somehow less responsible or professional than a&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>I was typing too fast and didn&#8217;t proofread&#8211;how unprofessional of me! <img src='http://caroundtheworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>And I think Gary&#8217;s idea of a mini-agency to match advertisers&#8211;especially small advertisers&#8211;to niche blogs is an excellent idea! Go with it Chris!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-990</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:55:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-990</guid> <description>Hmm....I am unemployed! :) That is an excellent business idea.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;.I am unemployed! <img src='http://caroundtheworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> That is an excellent business idea.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary Arndt</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link> <dc:creator>Gary Arndt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:12:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-989</guid> <description>One big problem I haven&#039;t heard anyone address is the cost of managing relationships with bloggers.There are just a lot of bloggers out there. One reason why you still see companies spending so much on TV is because it is easier and more efficient to spend $1,000,000 with one outlet than it is to spend $10,000 on 100 outlets, or $1,000 or 1,000 outlets.I think there is a market for someone to start up a blogging middle-man business. They would serve as a ad agency/blogger agent. They would develop relations with 100-200 bloggers in their niche, then work with companies who want to work with bloggers but don&#039;t want to have to learn a whole industry just for one project. They would match up blogs with companies for junkets and advertising.Someone please steal this idea and make it a reality....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big problem I haven&#8217;t heard anyone address is the cost of managing relationships with bloggers.</p><p>There are just a lot of bloggers out there. One reason why you still see companies spending so much on TV is because it is easier and more efficient to spend $1,000,000 with one outlet than it is to spend $10,000 on 100 outlets, or $1,000 or 1,000 outlets.</p><p>I think there is a market for someone to start up a blogging middle-man business. They would serve as a ad agency/blogger agent. They would develop relations with 100-200 bloggers in their niche, then work with companies who want to work with bloggers but don&#8217;t want to have to learn a whole industry just for one project. They would match up blogs with companies for junkets and advertising.</p><p>Someone please steal this idea and make it a reality&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:41:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-988</guid> <description>Gary, those are good points, and a great perspective, seeing as you built your blog up without having a media background first. I think both sides probably have to reach out a little bit better.The best place to start would be at TBEX - I already know from Twitter that some PR peoople are planning to go. Those exchanges can be very valuable. I&#039;ve met a lot of people at SATW over the past year.I&#039;ve heard from people inside agencies that they&#039;ve compiled lists of influencial bloggers, and I&#039;m sure you are on those lists. After all, Princess must have started somewhere for their Twitter cruise. Like everything else in life, it does require a bit of networking though!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, those are good points, and a great perspective, seeing as you built your blog up without having a media background first. I think both sides probably have to reach out a little bit better.</p><p>The best place to start would be at TBEX &#8211; I already know from Twitter that some PR peoople are planning to go. Those exchanges can be very valuable. I&#8217;ve met a lot of people at SATW over the past year.</p><p>I&#8217;ve heard from people inside agencies that they&#8217;ve compiled lists of influencial bloggers, and I&#8217;m sure you are on those lists. After all, Princess must have started somewhere for their Twitter cruise. Like everything else in life, it does require a bit of networking though!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cristi Brumm</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-984</link> <dc:creator>Cristi Brumm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-984</guid> <description>I agree.  Get to know your audience!!!  As a long-time PR person for auto racing teams and drivers, I have always felt that my first duty was to GET TO KNOW the key people in the press-AP reporters, bloggers, radio and TV people.  Then to keep them informed and connected to what we were doing, so that they could use it in their articles.I&#039;ve felt it is a symbiotic relationship; I provide some ideas and content obviously related to my focus and having it in front of them, makes their job easier, thus getting my clients into the forefront of the news more likely. If I can&#039;t meet them in the press room, then I read their blog, am on Facebook, or Twitter following, or just &quot;keeping up with what they&#039;re doing now&quot;.I&#039;ve always taken the &quot;friends&quot; approach to getting my message to the press. We all seem to work together but separately and many times from hotel rooms or separate or isolated offices- or from home offices as &quot;free-lancing&quot; has been forced onto many full-time writers.  We in PR  are generally people who enjoy interacting with others, but  so are most press people. And for me, that means keeping up with regular emails, occasional phone msg, congratulatory notes for great articles or awards, as well as the news items.There is a huge need for content for blogs/websites/new outlets.  PR is about getting your message out to the right people, so getting to know the people you need is just good business and actually alot of fun too!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Get to know your audience!!!  As a long-time PR person for auto racing teams and drivers, I have always felt that my first duty was to GET TO KNOW the key people in the press-AP reporters, bloggers, radio and TV people.  Then to keep them informed and connected to what we were doing, so that they could use it in their articles.</p><p> I&#8217;ve felt it is a symbiotic relationship; I provide some ideas and content obviously related to my focus and having it in front of them, makes their job easier, thus getting my clients into the forefront of the news more likely. If I can&#8217;t meet them in the press room, then I read their blog, am on Facebook, or Twitter following, or just &#8220;keeping up with what they&#8217;re doing now&#8221;.</p><p> I&#8217;ve always taken the &#8220;friends&#8221; approach to getting my message to the press. We all seem to work together but separately and many times from hotel rooms or separate or isolated offices- or from home offices as &#8220;free-lancing&#8221; has been forced onto many full-time writers.  We in PR  are generally people who enjoy interacting with others, but  so are most press people. And for me, that means keeping up with regular emails, occasional phone msg, congratulatory notes for great articles or awards, as well as the news items.</p><p> There is a huge need for content for blogs/websites/new outlets.  PR is about getting your message out to the right people, so getting to know the people you need is just good business and actually alot of fun too!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary Arndt</title><link>http://caroundtheworld.com/2009/12/16/pr-blogger-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link> <dc:creator>Gary Arndt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://caroundtheworld.com/?p=2147#comment-983</guid> <description>It is simply not true that if you get readers, PR people will follow.The bloggers who seem to get the most from PR are the ones who establish personal contacts and network. They have to reach out to PR. PR doesn&#039;t reach out very well to bloggers. I have one of the larger travel blogs on the internet and I can count the number of PR and marketing people who have reached out to me personally on one hand. (and I fully blame myself for not reaching out to more people in PR. I note it more as an observation than as a complaint.)I don&#039;t think that many PR people know how to work with bloggers yet. Few seem to have done much research to know what bloggers are good and which are bad, which blogs are big and which are small. &quot;Blogs&quot; seem to be treated as if they are a mass noun.PR people need to do some research. They need to get their hands dirty and read blogs. Find out which ones are most relevant to their clients. Find out who the thought leaders are and develop personal relationships with them. They also need to realize that the sooner they do this, the bigger the benefits will be down the road.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is simply not true that if you get readers, PR people will follow.</p><p>The bloggers who seem to get the most from PR are the ones who establish personal contacts and network. They have to reach out to PR. PR doesn&#8217;t reach out very well to bloggers. I have one of the larger travel blogs on the internet and I can count the number of PR and marketing people who have reached out to me personally on one hand. (and I fully blame myself for not reaching out to more people in PR. I note it more as an observation than as a complaint.)</p><p>I don&#8217;t think that many PR people know how to work with bloggers yet. Few seem to have done much research to know what bloggers are good and which are bad, which blogs are big and which are small. &#8220;Blogs&#8221; seem to be treated as if they are a mass noun.</p><p>PR people need to do some research. They need to get their hands dirty and read blogs. Find out which ones are most relevant to their clients. Find out who the thought leaders are and develop personal relationships with them. They also need to realize that the sooner they do this, the bigger the benefits will be down the road.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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